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Post by Oakley on Jul 20, 2018 15:36:41 GMT
What characters in the Warriors series do you wish had been explored more with a novella or a super edition?
I would've liked to see a novella about Graystripe's time in RiverClan. We know that he wasn't very accepted and that he hated it there, but I think it'd be cool to see a few stories from his perspective during that time. Maybe he realized that the way he was being treated was similar to Firestar's treatment when he first joined ThunderClan? I bet he wished that Firestar was there to give him advice. Did he learn to fish, or did he stick to hunting land prey? Did he enjoy eating fish? How did he raise his kits?
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Post by Lirriel on Jul 20, 2018 23:20:01 GMT
Am I allowed to still be super salty about Feathertail's death 13 years later? 'cuz oh boy I'm salty af. The Crowfeather/Feathertail plotline still remains one of those things I would have loved to see play out, especially with Leafpool making it a triangle of drama. But honestly, even if she and Crowfeather hadn't gotten together or split up immediately in Dawn, I would have been fine with that but aaaa she had all the makings of such a good character to follow along with and then she died.
Yea I'm still hella salt.
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Post by Oakley on Jul 21, 2018 11:43:49 GMT
YES I know. It's especially obnoxious because anyone could've done what Feathertail did. She was so friggin' selfless. Yeah, prophecy, yaddayadda, but why didn't one of the Tribe cats do that? They'd be saving their own. I feel bad for Graystripe especially there considering he lost Silverstream and then lost both of their kits to the Tribe (although Stormtail lived there, it was still a loss in the sense that he saw his father maybe a few times after that?).
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Post by Lirriel on Jul 23, 2018 18:02:24 GMT
I mean, at least he got... Millie? lmao tbh I wasn't a huge fan of her at the start but after going back and reading the manga + just seeing her interact in the books she grew on me. But yeah, after how hard he fought to keep his kits in the first series, it was pretty :^) that after all that one died so far away from home and the other one just bounced LOL
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Post by Bandido on Jul 26, 2018 7:26:24 GMT
I feel as though Scourge should've had more screen time, a lot more. Both the manga and the last two chapters of Darkest Hour were unsatisfying for an extremely interesting character. His only purpose was to literally just kill Tigerstar and take Firestar's first life in Darkest Hour before he dies two minuets later. The build up to the reveal of BloodClan in earlier chapters was interesting and almost intense, and to end it all with a short and pathetic death to Doritostar? Nah.
The visual novel was, kinda... Meh. Really meh. The whole reason of why he bacame evil was poorly written and too bad of an excuse to be honest, it was like the erins just wanted an 'icy heart, blood welcomer edgelord' and to just be done with it. (Though, I did really love the art, and the dog scene made me lol.)
I really do want him to have some sort of fully fledged book to himself, a Super Edition! So readers could really feel or empathize with him if they truly saw and felt what he felt, cause I didn't. This Super Edition could be used to fill up a time gap between when he became leader and when he formed an alliance with Tigerstar! I have questions! Was Bone deputy because he grew to be a close friend or simply because of size? Did Scourge catch the eye of a she-cat or vise versa? Did he have some type of hidden love he still had for his siblings? I need to know!
But I doubt I ever will.
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Post by Oakley on Jul 26, 2018 14:10:25 GMT
For all their touting about "needing to end the story with the bad guy being defeated because this is a children's series" I think that the way they made Scourge sympathetic was odd. We're supposed to feel for him because he was bullied by his siblings, which is fine, but then he goes evil. If they're so gung-ho about teaching kids these lessons, what does that teach them? Scourge goes on to reject his siblings and refuse to help them when they're starving (if I remember right) and they have nowhere else to go. It's one thing for him to not forgive them, and I get that the whole scene was to show how "evul" he was, but all that seems to teach to me is that you can outdo your bullies and then give them a big "fuck you" when they are in need of help. There are tons of fanfics and younger fans in general who idolize Scourge because he was bullied and then he became a big bad. I wouldn't have a problem with this storyline if the authors and editors didn't constantly push the whole "we need to keep things kid-friendly" thing constantly.
He absolutely could've used more screen time, if only to make him more sympathetic for reasons other than "he was bullied" and to give readers more information on why and how he became so big and bad, to the point where even Tigerstar sought him out. He could've been an interesting villain, but he fell a bit flat.
I was just discussing something similar with my boyfriend last night, about how the first arc built up so much, and then they offed all of Tigerstar's lives at once. They could've kept him in at least through the second arc and had him be a constant threat, while still sticking to the "bad guy is defeated" eventually. Him losing all nine lives at once was pretty silly and kind of made him seem like much less of a threat than he actually was.
They seem to use "but the kids!" as a cover up for a lot of plot points, but it doesn't have to be that way. When your series is aimed at kids but has a lot of death, gore, and abusive relationships, why are you worried about such elementary "lessons"? Wouldn't you think your audience is a bit beyond that, and if not, why can't you incorporate them in a way that matches the maturity level of everything else going on?
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Post by Bandido on Jul 26, 2018 15:42:12 GMT
By the way, Scourge did feed Ruby and Socks but told them to leave as soon as they're done and never return or they'd be killed if they do. Which is why I had the question, if he still cared.
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